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haha , Yes that statement about female conspiracy was indeed my statement , this is why I put it in quotes

Zubber, nobody needs to make assumptions to read your intentions. K provided a very good arguement, be sure we are much more interested in feminism philosophy than you.
You started with the times with fewer rights for women were better
Then you went on with you are the only one who is familiar with feminism and its effects on the society.
K provided very good debate on this and your answers are not a reply to them but all based on superiority, which I ASSUME is coming from your mindset of superiority of men
And as I saw this in the other thread as well,you manipulated on introdusing stats as Bora pointed out!(talking about conspiracy!!!)
So who needs to make assumption about you?!

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Health: Kids Who Live with Both Parents Are Healthier

New figures, just out in December from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), looked at the comparative health of children in all types of living situations. Those who lived in the same home as their two parents (technically, they didn't have to be married, but they had to be together) had lower rates of a whole litany of ailments, including asthma, vision problems, developmental delays, ADHD and migraines, even when wealth and education were factored in. The only malady the CDC found more prevalent among the children of married parents was allergies.
At the other end of life, a separate study showed that elderly people whose parents were divorced had twice the risk of stroke as people whose parents stayed together. We're talking the loooong tail.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110106/h ... 5zdG9nZQ--

There is nothing positive about single parenting, this has been known throughout time, But for arguments sake. This is an actual study by the CDC concerning this issue.

That is such a crappy article and it is not a presentation of the actual CDC study - primary versus secondary sources Mr. Zubber tsk tsk!

Divorce is huge for kids, it really sucks, is very painful - been there, done that, got the t-shirt. However, can I imagine my parents still being together? No. Is it fair to ask my mother to stay married to my father who is easily angry and full of ego and was mentally abusive (to her) and physically abusive (to us kids)? She found another man and has been happily married for a long time (unlike my dad who has a long string of women (and children) behind him). Who am I to deny her that happiness, and what about her health?

kanelli wrote:That is such a crappy article and it is not a presentation of the actual CDC study - primary versus secondary sources Mr. Zubber tsk tsk!

Ms Kanelli, you ought to open the article and see it before make such a statement, FYI the source is the National Center for health Statistics an arm of the Center of Disease Control , Which I might add also has the full articles for your examination

Divorce is huge for kids, it really sucks, is very painful - been there, done that, got the t-shirt. However, can I imagine my parents still being together? No. Is it fair to ask my mother to stay married to my father who is easily angry and full of ego and was mentally abusive (to her) and physically abusive (to us kids)? She found another man and has been happily married for a long time (unlike my dad who has a long string of women (and children) behind him). Who am I to deny her that happiness, and what about her health?

Yes I am in agreement with you on this issue, if women are in abusive relationships the negative effects directly impact the kids, In a case such as this, Indeed divorce would be a good option, but for the sake of the children , Adults with rational minds still need to sit down and "reconcile their differences"

zubber wrote:Adults with rational minds still need to sit down and "reconcile their differences"

I would say that the majority of couples who divorce are rationale and do sit down and try to reconcile their differences, which is to settle or resolve the issue(s), and come to the conclusion that it just isn't working out!!! Both can accept it, or one person cannot accept it. You can't say that divorce happens because people are not rationale and DO NOT make the effort to "reconcile their differences".

I'm sure abused women send out warnings that the marriage isn't going to last if the abuse (take your pick) continues, or one has an addiction (alcohol, drugs, gambling, etc.) and chooses the addiction over the relationship even after being warned or asked to seek help and refuses, or a partner that constantly cheats, or a partner that is controlling. These are situations where one is a victim and the other the victimizer. How do you handle a marriage where one partner feels they have "outgrown" their spouse? What do you do when one doesn't feel that love for the other person, when there is no more "spark", no excitement --- the marriage basically died.

I think women are more likely to talk through the situation. I'm sure there are many women who are still wondering what happened after the husband went to the grocery store 10 years ago to get a pack of smokes, never to return, because it was so much easier for him to walk than do the talk.

^^ Well bora^2, there is not one point in your post I disagree with , And indeed husbands need to "Rekindle the spark" , a large majority is guilty of neglecting this aspect. (Note - Not known through personal experience, based on print sources)

Because they think, "Why rekindle the spark with my wife when I can create a spark with a new woman. More exciting and less work."

kanelli wrote:Because they think, "Why rekindle the spark with my wife when I can create a spark with a new woman. More exciting and less work."

How chillingly true ! , You ladies would be glad to know , that in certain countries, New couples have to attend a 3 day seminar and course before getting married, however this was not good enough to reduce the rising rates of divorces, and the course is neither free, Perhaps governments would have something like this instituted in other countries also

Those programs can be found all over the world through family or religious organizations.

kanelli wrote:Those programs can be found all over the world through family or religious organizations.

Is taking the course mandatory before registering the marriage ?

zubber wrote:

kanelli wrote:Those programs can be found all over the world through family or religious organizations.

Is taking the course mandatory before registering the marriage ?

The Catholic church makes it mandatory. Results would say that they aren't very successful!! People go because they HAVE to go if they want to get married in the church. Oh, and it does generate revenue for the church.

3 days seminar can change absolutely NOTHING in this matter!

Bora Bora wrote:The Catholic church makes it mandatory. Results would say that they aren't very successful!! People go because they HAVE to go if they want to get married in the church. Oh, and it does generate revenue for the church.

Yes, Unfortunately this is the general trend also in asian countries that make it mandatory, Perhaps this problem is much more than just the lack of information, Perhaps having proper relationships should be taught in schools as a mandatory subject with an exam , maybe..

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melika969 wrote:3 days seminar can change absolutely NOTHING in this matter!

Yes I agree Mel , however atleast its something , maybe some couples out there who are seriously worried about their relationship in this modern day era of dismal marriages, just might take heed ,

zubber wrote:Yes I agree Mel , however atleast its something , maybe some couples out there who are seriously worried about their relationship in this modern day era of dismal marriages, just might take heed ,

In a real world, there are better ways!

melika969 wrote:

zubber wrote:Yes I agree Mel , however atleast its something , maybe some couples out there who are seriously worried about their relationship in this modern day era of dismal marriages, just might take heed ,

In a real world, there are better ways!

Feel free to express the alternatives, I am more than willing to engage in an objective debate over their feasibility ...

^^^Learning about relationships happens with experience! not reading charts or participating in seminars!

True, as that maybe, this is vague and unspecific , if a new couple wanted advise on what to do , this information would not be useful

^^^ tell them to seek therapy!

(A new couple who doesnt know "what to do" seems very weird to me!!!)

Endeavor to have more substance in your arguments

zubber wrote:Endeavor to have more substance in your arguments

Irrelevant!

zubber wrote:Endeavor to have more substance in your arguments

Perhaps it is a matter of you not agreeing with the substance of Mel's arguments?

kanelli wrote:

zubber wrote:Endeavor to have more substance in your arguments

Perhaps it is a matter of you not agreeing with the substance of Mel's arguments?

Nay Kanelli , there were no relevant points mentioned, just emotional outbursts , if you notice I mentioned that I am very open to discussing subject matter related concepts

^^^please bring evidence for what you accusing me of! there is nothing emotional in my responses!

again, your post is full of superiority. The matters are very related, but you choose to label them as emotional.

melika969 wrote:^^^please bring evidence for what you accusing me of! there is nothing emotional in my responses!

again, your post is full of superiority. The matters are very related, but you choose to label them as emotional.

Mel, of course you are an emotional train wreck - you're a woman!!!

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Dave Chapelle(Comedian) - Men and Women Psychology - Explicit !!


Chris Rock (Comedian) - Difference between men and women - Explicit !!


Dane Cook (Comedian) - Vicious Circle & Brain Ninjas - Semi Explicit !!


Mark Gungor (Marriage Counsellor) - Difference between Men's brain and women's brain - CLEAN !!

^^^^so by objective discussion you meant these vids?!!

I think zubber needs to study some women's studies - here you go, free from MIT Open Courseware

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/womens-and-gender-studies/