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Women in the past Posted Mar 11, 2012
I have always been astounded by the power of women inside the Muslim families.. I hear the same thing over, be it in an Arab, Iranian or Turkish family. Women have been ruling the household for centuries, to this day... I found this great article which explains history of Muslim woman's life very well.. And I think I now understand why Saudi women get escort drivers when they go out rather than let alone to drive themselves.. In a way really they each get treated like queens but ofcourse in the west we think of that as being restriction of woman's right...

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/women- ... sCatID=438


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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 11, 2012
A queen?? A queen decides for herself, in islam , men decide for women and they have the right to beat them if they are not obedient.

and the queen would be put to death if she decided to have several "mates", yet, for the men it is ok to have several "queens"

Thank you berrin to remind us how backwardish and dark ages moslems are.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 11, 2012
Well the article says that the woman decides for herself as well.. No no no herve, In islam men and women have equal status , what you don't want to understand is that islam defines gender duties for each, as each of them created to be whole of the other...Whereas in western societies woman and man are treated as seperate independant entities from eachother.. Western man made definition of gender equality helps gender bigotry leading idleness and anarchy at some point.. As a result family life and relationships are deteriorating as 1 every 2 marriages ends up with divorce or seperation..

I cannot see how one woman can live with four men.. Gees.. Under the same roof men would fight with eachother over her affairs, you cannot keep a man inside once he is annoyed, he would go after another woman straight away. I cannot see how one woman can serve the needs of 4 men at the same time. Poor woman she cannot be a slave, can she? You must be mad Herve... Find yourself 3 more males and try with a woman only, see if you can stand it and succeed. :) LOL..

To me islam is a straight path, a very forward religion. I am open minded and I appreciate how valuable its message for humanity..But ofcourse religion is a burden for those who do not wanna know.. Do me a favour and listen to this..especially the last 5 minutes or so...

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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 11, 2012
Berrin ,"I cannot see how one woman can serve the needs of 4 men at the same time"

You see Berrin, while you see women only to serv a man, while you are so into women to be men's commodities , you completely missed my point.

I meant, how about 4 men serving a woman. not one woman serving 4 men. If she is the queen after all. How about THEM worshiping her, and them serving her.

in islam , women have no rights , period, so please dont say you treat them like queens.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 11, 2012
Beren seems to have starry eyed reverence for the Saudis and their 7th century ways.

I think they have a dying tradition. As time goes by there are fewer and fewer people who want to stay in the 7th century.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 11, 2012
I cannot hold a proper conversation with you unless you have some meaningful knowledge about islam.. You shouldn't mix teachings of islam with ignorant, ego ridden, undereducated attitude of muslim man.. These are two different issues...

Any transgression of this principle involves for him the risk of losing the favor of Allah, because his wife is not his subordinate but she is, to use the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him), 'the queen of her house', and this is the position a true believer is expected to give his wife.


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--- Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:38 pm ---

blueshift wrote:I think it's a dying tradition though. As time goes by there are fewer and fewer people who want to stay in the 7th century.


:) on the contrary, I think as time goes by more and more woman will be willing to be driven than to bother driving themselves in traffic jams.. They wish but only if they could allocate resources to employ drivers :) LOL...
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 12, 2012
The worst thing I've found about Muslim men, Berrin, is that they are bloody useless at s.ex. Bloody clueless :D It's all me me me.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 12, 2012
I keep hearing the same thing over and over. Last were two muslima's complaining about that.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 12, 2012
Bethsmum , ask BB, she knows it first hand, (first hand :lol: ) why do you think she is so frustrated.
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Re: Women in the past Posted Mar 12, 2012
Berrin, you remind me of everything I hate in this world! Seriously!
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 13, 2012
Hate is such a strong word :/
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
herve wrote:ask BB, she knows it first hand, (first hand ) why do you think she is so frustrated.


Based on experience, I can't tell you what I've found out about Muslim MEN herve, as I've only been with ONE Muslim man, Mr BB, and that is I have no complaints. :D :D I do know that Muslim men can be very generous spending money on women who they have a fling with. See it all the time in Dubai, Muslim men with white women. Such arrangements don't require any emotion, other than getting someone to scratch an itch for them. A trade off???

Why don't you tell us what you found out about Muslim women? :mrgreen: No need to evaluate your experience with spics. They're right up there, or to be more accurate, down there, with Chicanos and Cubans living in barrios. Hot blooded, broken in and trained by the age of 15. :D You can always take the girl out of the barrio, but you can't take the barrio out of the girl. :wink: :lol: :lol:

I did meet a French man a very long time ago. I can't tell you anything about the s.ex department because he stank so bad I couldn't get within 3 feet of him. Thought I stepped in dog poo until I realized the stink was coming off of him. I guess that's why France is popular for it's perfume - the French use it to mask their body odor. :shock:
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
herve wrote: ask BB, she knows it first hand, (first hand ) why do you think she is so frustrated.
Read that now, that is pretty low calling another forum member like that. But I'm not surprised coming from you.
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Re: Women in the past Posted Mar 14, 2012
I did not see you surprised when she wished me dead. coming from you it does not surprise me.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
The goon squad threatens with violence and death, wants one or more ethnic/religious group(s) death or supports ethnic cleaning and pushes others to leave the forum. Still everything is somebody else's fault. I call that the Great Disconnect.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
Tools :roll:

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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
Nuc, you are a parrot. You cannot argue your own views (if you have them at all), you can only communicate through posting vids and pics.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
There is a saying: "Don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Oh and here is another one for ya:
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
Nice Nuc, real nice!
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
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I did not see you surprised when she wished me dead. coming from you it does not surprise me.


Put the quote up where I said that.

--- Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:25 pm ---

Flying Dutchman wrote:The goon squad threatens with violence and death, wants one or more ethnic/religious group(s) death or supports ethnic cleaning and pushes others to leave the forum. Still everything is somebody else's fault. I call that the Great Disconnect.


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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 14, 2012
Can you already formulate in your own words why jews were pushed out everywhere they lived, or is that still to difficult for you?
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 15, 2012
Bora Bora, this is your post

Re: Judge Taking Case Serious: Underwear Bomber

... he tried to bring down a passenger plane, this is grave! OK herve, I'm jumping up and down, punching the wall, screaming at the top of my lungs - Die you bastarD, die!!! Burn in hell!!! Do you feel better now??? :roll: Experiencing some wood over my outrage herve??
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 15, 2012
herve wrote:Re: Judge Taking Case Serious: Underwear Bomber... he tried to bring down a passenger plane, this is grave! OK herve, I'm jumping up and down, punching the wall, screaming at the top of my lungs - Die you bastarD, die!!! Burn in hell!!! Do you feel better now??? Experiencing some wood over my outrage herve??


You are so dumb it's pathetic. I wasn't referring to you, you idiot. You have a serious problem with comprehension. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so stupid.
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Re: Women in the past Posted Mar 15, 2012
Well...between your approximate english and your hatred toward me, you made pretty obvious it was directed to me.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 15, 2012
Bora Bora wrote:You are so dumb it's pathetic. I wasn't referring to you, you idiot. You have a serious problem with comprehension. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so stupid.
I don't think he is that stupid. Intellectually dishonest, yes.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 15, 2012
Nucleus ,

I like you Nucleus! You are a man of few words but you hit bulls eye everytime. I like your photography too :D
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 15, 2012
Nucleus - I agree with Zonker, you hit the bullseye consistently.

This was spot on!

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The hatred is just oozing from this forum these days. And the funniest line I read this morning was 'there is no Islamophobia'. You got to hand it to the haters.. they know how to tell a joke! :D

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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 15, 2012
Oh God the Muslims are out in force this morning.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 15, 2012
herve wrote:Well...between your approximate english and your hatred toward me, you made pretty obvious it was directed to me.


Approximate English?? :lol: :lol: I'm not English, I'm American and English is my first language herve, and clearly not yours. Hatred?? It's a forum you boob. I don't have enough crayons to draw you pictures to help you to comprehend that it was a response to you wanting me to denounce the bomber. You really overrate yourself to think that I could have an emotion where you are concerned, other than having a good laugh at your ignorance.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 16, 2012
Thanks! :D
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Re: Women in the past Posted Mar 16, 2012
BB, yes I know you are an american, and I would add "a american convert" . At least I have an excuse when I make a english mistake. You don't , your posts show evident poor english skills , grammar and comprehension.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 16, 2012
herve wrote:BB, yes I know you are an american, and I would add "a american convert" . At least I have an excuse when I make a english mistake. You don't , your posts show evident poor english skills , grammar and comprehension.


American convert???

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So, your lack of comprehension is due to my poor English skills?? I read that first piece of trash you wrote herve and between you and your editor, a 10th grader could have written a better "book". BTW, I see you are in good standing on Amazon's book list. You haven't made the top 100 or the NY Times best seller lists yet. You have a way to go - both books are somewhere in the mid 500,000.

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Re: Women In The Past Posted Mar 16, 2012
Ha ha! Love the strawman Nucleus. :D

--- Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:18 pm ---

Berrin wrote:I have always been astounded by the power of women inside the Muslim families.. I hear the same thing over, be it in an Arab, Iranian or Turkish family. Women have been ruling the household for centuries, to this day... I found this great article which explains history of Muslim woman's life very well.. And I think I now understand why Saudi women get escort drivers when they go out rather than let alone to drive themselves.. In a way really they each get treated like queens but ofcourse in the west we think of that as being restriction of woman's right...

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/women- ... sCatID=438


Not allowing women to drive is not for the purpose of respect and treating them like queens, it is about control. I love it when some men come and try to paint the oppression of women as simply a false Western perception. There are countless women in Saudi and elsewhere who have spoken out about their oppression. Berrin, can you honestly put yourself in women's shoes and still come up with the same drivel you wrote above? I can guarantee you that you'd dislike the restrictions and controls put upon you, and your relegation to the domestic sphere only.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted May 07, 2012
great sharing of information
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Re: Women In The Past Posted May 12, 2012
the western people dont want anyone to preserve thier culture , its either western culture , or a freaggin queer stuff from the middle east.. period. I kind of think that the western culture is not in the amazonia brazil yet cuz the westerns prefer to preserve those cutures cuz thier women in amazonia are topless and got trees leaves on to cover few .... and eat from the ground.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted May 12, 2012
Ummm, ok....
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Re: Women In The Past Posted May 12, 2012
mesheditor , can't make heads nor tails what you are trying to say.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted May 13, 2012
kanelli ,

My opinion about women being driven was based on the muslim traditions of the past times, if it is still continued to this day and it is accepted by large in the community than I have no problems with it.. I do not deny the influence of modernity on the authenticty of eastern peoples cultures and lives.. Things will of course change in time as society evolves itself... But please also remember that in sharia ruled countries people, especially ladies do not live such fast consumed life styles, becouse also they live in hot climates I guess life is more subtle and easy going one that allows them to be driven while they have wealth to afford it . And I don't think there is such rush for women to be a man of their own either:)
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Re: Women In The Past Posted May 13, 2012
by reading most of the articals writen on this topic figured out that it turned out to be mostly about Muslim Women vc Western Women ( as usual , few people would always drag the middle eastern pitfalls into it. I agree with Berrin that gradually the middle east is turning into something that you would see every day in the west.
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Re: Women In The Past Posted May 13, 2012
I don't think driving a car makes a woman manly. It simply scares some men that a woman could get into a car by herself and drive wherever she wants, whenever she wants. Fathers, husbands, brothers fear a loss of control of the women in their families. If women felt the same way about men, then the men would need chaperones and drivers to get around too. Maybe men should try that for a while and see how it makes them feel :D The women can always remind the men that they are living in a dangerous world and it is safer to be escorted by a chaperone, and they are so valuable and it gives more status if they have their own driver, so in essence it makes them more of a man to travel with chaperones and drivers. ;)
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