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Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 03, 2010
This documentary will not only blow your mind away, but will show you extremism at its best which has never been broadcasted by CNN, Fox etc. We are not talking about uneducated people in Somalia, no, we are talking about white folks from the United State of Corruption.


http://www.documentary-log.com/d155-the-doomsday-code/

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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 04, 2010
I haven't watched it yet - but Tony Robinson is great value, best known for playing Baldrick in the Blackadder series, he's presented a number of archaeology based programmes (eg Time Team).

I've started a thread about 'Rapture' in the religion forum and asked eh whether he's one of those who believe this Biblical belief. We're still waiting for a reply ;)

Here's a write up of the documentary (from Channel 4 who aired it originally).
The Doomsday Code
First shown on Channel 4 in September 2006

In this Channel 4 documentary Tony Robinson investigates the people with powerful political friends in the White House, who are trying to bring about the end of the world. Julia Bard reports

Revelation, the last book in the New Testament, is filled with bizarre, violent and terrifying images. Its origins are unclear and its content is controversial. Some say it is the work of St John but many others believe he could not have been the author. But whoever wrote it, described apocalyptic visions of plagues, famines, wars, devils, wild beasts and rivers of blood. It is so strange and complex that scholars down the centuries have continually reinterpreted its message and meaning.

Today, though, a growing number of American evangelical Christians reckon they have cracked the code. These End Timers believe that every weird word of Revelation predicts real events. Like a Hollywood sci fi movie they say that any time now the world will end. And when it does, true believers in Christ will be whisked up to heaven in an event called The Rapture while non-believers are left behind on earth to face famine, war, terror and destruction as the forces of good and evil fight to the bitter end.

Political implications
If this was confined to the personal beliefs of a few fundamentalists it would be of little significance but, says Tony Robinson, the leaders of the End Time movement are rich, well-connected and very powerful. Though the USA constitution enshrines the separation of church and state End Timers are frequent visitors to the White House. No one knows if George W Bush is an End Timer himself, but his policies are at one with those of the evangelical Right and his language is often apocalyptic, such as when he describes the 'war on terror' as 'the epic struggle of good and evil'.

Jerusalem
According to the prophecy, Jerusalem is where this final battle is to be played out. No stranger to conflict and violence, this city is the focus of End Timers' dreams of eternal paradise, because, according to their beliefs, this is where Christ will come back to earth. But first, they say, the Jews must return. End Timers believe that the establishment of the State of israel in 1948 was a fulfilment of the biblical prophecy and that since then 'the last days clock has been ticking'.

Many of them interpret the US government's policies on Israel and the Middle East from a biblical point of view. Before the war in Iraq, the USA supported a negotiated settlement in which Israel would return the Occupied Territories to the Palestinians. By 2004, after a torrent of criticism of the Roadmap to Peace, Bush's position had changed and now there is no call for a large-scale withdrawal from the West Bank.

End Timers parade through the streets of Jerusalem and take large amounts of cash to illegal West Bank settlements to encourage the residents to entrench themselves more deeply on this Palestinian land. In Jerusalem itself, Jews are being bankrolled by Christian fundamentalists to reside in Arab houses. The End Timers think that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a stroke ('was removed from the scene') because he wanted to give back some of the Palestinian land.

Many Israelis are very worried about the kind of 'support' they are being offered. One journalist says that this is not based on Israel's needs and that there is no support for peacemaking. On the contrary, the agenda of the Evangelicals is war, so as to fulfil violent prophecy of Revelation.

Provocatively, some End Timers have joined forces with a fundamentalist Jewish group who want to rebuild the Temple of Solomon – touching on the ancient Jewish yearning for their destroyed Temple. But the place where they plan to build it has deep meaning for the three Abrahamic religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The Temple Mount, where Islam's 3rd most holy site, Al-Aqsa Mosque, is situated, is the spot where Muslim, Jewish and Christian believers think that God created Adam, Abraham prepared his son Isaac to be sacrificed, and according to his vision, Muhammed was carried on a winged horse.

Mainstream Christians in the locality are appalled. They say attempts to rebuild the Temple are inflammatory and threaten to unleash even more bloodshed in the Middle East.

Predictions of war
Could it be that this is precisely what they are trying to provoke, in order to hasten the end of days? According to End Timers, when the believers are whisked up to heaven those left behind will face the ultimate battle between good and evil. It will take seven years to count the dead, they say – the time of Tribulation, a hell on earth. Israel will survive, according to this story, but will have a sudden victory only after a long war. Some say this means nuclear war and they support the war in Iraq because they believe that will bring it closer. Megiddo is the Hebrew name for Armageddon: the town where this carnage will occur.

For some End Timers, all this is big – very big – business. Tim LaHaye's Christian fiction series, Left Behind, has sold 63 million books, and movies of the books have been made by Cloud Ten Pictures. The internet is awash with websites which tell you how to prepare for The Rapture, and there are American shops to sell you everything you need to survive (for around $3,000) if you're unfortunate enough to be left behind.

The concept of the Antichrist originated in Medieval times, and is not found in the Bible. Nevertheless these evangelical Christians believe that the Antichrist is 'walking among us right now', the incarnation of evil, luring people to his cause with false promises of peace. For End Timers, the United Nations, whose role is to seek and maintain peace across the world, fits this description perfectly.

Undermining Africa
Now End Time beliefs are now spreading to Africa, with dire consequences. Uganda's President, Yoweri Museveni, is a born again Christian who is lionised by American End Timers. An American preacher in the capital, Kampala, says that the answers to Uganda's problems are not political, economic or educational, but can be found in the Bible, which he describes as 'God's constitution for the planet'.

Newspaper editor Andrew Mwenda is appalled by these Doomsday preachers, who he believes are converting young people and diverting them from fulfilling their potential and pursuing their careers. He says: 'This country is on a highway to hell.'

Uganda was a model in Africa of AIDS education and prevention and the rate of infection was falling. Now Museveni is promoting abstinence rather than safer sex, the number of cases is rising.Teacher Julius Othieno describes children being taken out of school, and not taking medicine when they are ill, in order to hasten their death.

Revelation
What is the real source of these ideas that so many people attribute to the book of Revelation? Whoever wrote it sheltered in a cave on the Greek island of Patmos, probably a refugee from Roman occupied Palestine. He is also likely to have consumed the local hallucinogenic magic mushrooms. So rather than taking these bizarre visions literally, it might make more sense to try to understand them in their historical context.

There are some 40 apocalyptic books from this era but this was the only one that made it into the Bible. If the author was writing about the hated Roman Empire, it could be that the seven heads of the beast meant the seven emperors. The mark of the beast could be the head of the emperor on the coins. The dreaded 666 very likely represented three letters indicating the Emperor Nero – representing letters by numbers was, and is, common in Hebrew. If so, instead of being a description of a world in chaos, it could be seen as a book of morality, optimism and faith.

Let's hope the End Timers start to see it like that before their actions really do bring about the end of the world.



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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 05, 2010
I watched the Rapture and it was another great documentary, it’s listed on the same website under religion title. It is unbelievable to see some people are genuinely believing in such f....cked up theory.

These people are already have a major influence on the White House and marching their way to a complete control over it. Imagine what they’d do when they are in there.

The reason that there has not been a lasting peace between Palestine and Israel is because of those scumbags’ selfish and warmongering belief and attitudes. They don’t love the Jews, they only using them as scapegoats to achieve their fu......cked up ultimate goal
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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 07, 2010
Well, that certainly reminds me of Muslim fundamentalists who believe the Koran contains scientific miracles.
To be fair, that's probably one of the tamer beliefs Muslims have.

Cairo, Egypt: “There is no conflict between Islam and science,” Zaghloul El-Naggar declares as we sit in the parlor of his villa in Maadi, an affluent suburb of Cairo. “Science is inquisition. It’s running after the unknown. Islam encourages seeking knowledge. It’s considered an act of worship.”

What people call the scientific method, he explains, is really the Islamic method: “All the wealth of knowledge in the world has actually emanated from Muslim civilization. The Prophet Muhammad said to seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave. The very first verse came down: ‘Read.’ You are required to try to know something about your creator through meditation, through analysis, experimentation, and observation.”

Author, newspaper columnist, and television personality El-­Naggar is also a geologist whom many Egyptians, including a number of his fellow scientists, regard as a leading figure in their community. An expert in the somewhat exotic topic of biostratification—the layering of Earth’s crust caused by living organisms—El-Naggar is a member of the Geological Society of London and publishes papers that circulate internationally. But he is also an Islamic fundamentalist, a scientist who views the universe through the lens of the Koran.

Religion is a powerful force throughout the Arab world—but perhaps nowhere more so than here. The common explanation is that the Egyptian people, rich and poor alike, turned to God after everything else failed: the mess of the government’s socialist experiment in the 1960s; the downfall of Gamal Abdel Nasser’s Arab nationalism; the military debacle of the 1967 war with Israel; poverty; inept government—the list goes on.

I witness firsthand the overlapping strands of history as I navigate the chaos of Cairo, a city crammed with 20 million people, a quarter of Egypt’s population. In residential neighborhoods, beautiful old buildings crumble, and the people who live in them pile debris onto rooftops because there is no public service to take it away. Downtown, luxury hotels intermingle with casinos, minarets, and even a Pizza Hut. The American University in Cairo is a short distance from Tahrir Square, a wide traffic circle where bruised old vehicles brush pedestrians who make the perilous crossing. At all hours men smoke water pipes in city cafés; any woman in one of these qawas would almost certainly be a foreigner. Most Egyptian women wear a veil, and at the five designated times a day when the muezzins call, commanding the Muslims to pray, the men come, filling the city’s mosques.

The Islamic world looms large in the history of science, and there were long periods when Cairo—in Arabic, El Qahira, meaning “the victorious”—was a leading star in the Arabic universe of learning. Islam is in many ways more tolerant of scientific study than is Christian fundamentalism. It does not, for example, argue that the world is only 6,000 years old. Cloning research that does not involve people is becoming more widely accepted. In recent times, though, knowledge in Egypt has waned. And who is accountable for the decline?

El-Naggar has no doubts. “We are not behind because of Islam,” he says. “We are behind because of what the Americans and the British have done to us.”

The evil West is a common refrain with El-Naggar, who, paradoxically, often appears in a suit and tie, although he is wearing a pale green galabiyya when we meet. He says that he grieves for Western colleagues who spend all their time studying their areas of specialization but neglect their souls; it sets his teeth on edge how the West has “legalized” homosexuality. “You are bringing man far below the level of animals,” he laments. “As a scientist, I see the danger coming from the West, not the East.”

He hands me three short volumes he has written about the relationship of science and Islam. These include The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Holy Koran, and Treasures in the Sunnah, A Scientific Approach, parts one and two, along with a translation of the Koran, whose title page he has signed, although his name does not appear as a translator.

In Treasures in the Sunnah, El-Naggar interprets holy verses: the hadiths, sayings of the Prophet, and the sunnah, or customs. There are scientific signs in more than one thousand verses of the Koran, according to El-Naggar, and in many sayings of the Prophet, although these signs often do not speak in a direct scientific way. Instead, the verses give man’s mind the room to work until it arrives at certain conclusions. A common device of Islamic science is to cite examples of how the Koran anticipated modern science, intuiting hard facts without modern equipment or technology. In Treasures of the Sunnah, El-Naggar quotes scripture: “and each of them (i.e., the moon and the sun) floats along in (its own) orbit.” “The Messenger of Allah,” El-Naggar writes, “talked about all these cosmic facts in such accurate scientific style at a period of time when people thought that Earth was flat and stationary. This is definitely one of the signs, which testifies to the truthfulness of the message of Muhammad.”


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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 07, 2010
Not sure what the article above has to do with the documentary about Biblical beliefs - perhaps eh is trying to divert attention from the fact that he hasn't answered the question about whether he is one of the Rapture believers! :mrgreen:
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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 07, 2010
shafique wrote:Not sure what the article above has to do with the documentary about Biblical beliefs - perhaps eh is trying to divert attention from the fact that he hasn't answered the question about whether he is one of the Rapture believers! :mrgreen:


Well, my point was that what is considered 'extremism' in Christianity or the West is considered quite tame in the Muslim world.
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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 07, 2010
Interesting argument.

So do you believe in Rapture?

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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 07, 2010
I don't believe the Koran contains scientific miracles. In fact, I believe the Koran is quite wrong, both scientifically and historically.

I already promised Berrin to start a thread discussing/listing the historical inaccuracies in the Koran and why the Koran should therefore be rejected as the word of God.
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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 07, 2010
Fair enough - but I asked whether you believed in Rapture - this is not, unless I'm very much mistaken,a a Quranic concept but a Biblical one.

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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 08, 2010
I guess the point of this is, howcome no Western Media has ever highlighted what those evangelical Christians have been up to. When the only difference between them and Talaban is that, Talaban go and blow themselves up overtly, but these evangelical Christians commit terrorism through money supplies and spread of hate and animosity, which also lead, motivate and empower those narrow-minded Israelis to occupy Palestine’s lands and to kill innocents children and women.

Maybe it’s time that those Middle Eastern’s Media do the same as those Western Media and only focus on those terrorists evangelical Christians – just for the sake to play a fair game. That’d be fun


Here is an interesting link about those terrorist evangelical Christians
http://www.documentary-log.com/d267-friends-of-god/
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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 08, 2010
Well, also note that eh also has claimed the Uganda terrorist mob - the Lord's Resistance Army for Christendom, as he believes they are Christian terrorists and not converts to a religious cult.

I've not seen these guys described as Christian terrorists in the media (but then again, I think this is another of eh's curious 'beliefs'!)

If you do a search for 'Christian Al Qaeda' you should find that the media in India has been highlighting the on-going terrorist activities of the NLFT's 'National Holy Army' in Northern India - but again, this hardly makes it to western media.


Now, any bets on whether eh will answer the question about Rapture? ;)

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Re: Extremism and hatred in a Whitey style Jan 08, 2010
I don't believe the Koran contains scientific miracles. In fact, I believe the Koran is quite wrong, both scientifically and historically.


This area is just about what you haven't smeared islam about. If you take and pick one of the subjects on here
http://www.scienceinquran.com/toc.html than we would be interested to see what shapes and forms you will mix yourself into..Have a start, and lets us have the privilege to watch and enjoy you...

By the way I'd like to remind you that the actual purpose of the quran is not meant to be a thorough science book, God just gives hints and clues and lets his creation,in all times, to ponder and search to find out his marvel so that you embrace him and his religion...
Also either way you agree or disagree on Islam, I just have no cash to top up your accounts.. :wink:
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